The expert says the quick thinking of teachers saved lives in the Nashville shooting

A 19th School Shooting in Uvalde, Tennesse, That Kills a Student, a Teen, and a Family friend

Last May, a massacre in Uvalde was the deadliest US school shooting. The number of school and university shooting in the last three months is 19 and includes at least one person wounded.

Armed with three firearms, the shooter got into the school by firing through glass doors and climbing through to get inside, where the shooter could be seen walking through the hallways and pointing an assault-style weapon, surveillance video released by Metro Nashville Police shows.

Hale had been under care for an emotional disorder and legally bought seven guns in the past three years, but they were kept hidden from Hale’s parents, Drake said. Three weapons, including an AK-47 and an assault weapon, were used in the attack.

But Hale, who was under care for an emotional disorder, had legally bought seven firearms that were hidden at home, Drake said. Three of those weapons, including an AR-style rifle, were used in the attack Monday.

Police have said the attack was pre-planned, finding that Hale had detailed maps of the school as well as writings related to the shooting and had scouted a second possible attack location in Nashville. Hale’s childhood friend also revealed the shooter sent her disturbing messages just before the attack.

The attack marked the 19th shooting at a school or university so far in 2023 that left at least one person wounded, a CNN count shows. The school shooting was the worst in the US since May when 21 people were killed at a Texas school.

The head of the school, custodian, substitute teacher and three young children were among those spread out as frightened students were led to safety from The Covenant School.

“All of Tennessee was hurt yesterday, but some parents woke up without children, children woke up without parents and without teachers, and spouses woke up without their loved ones,” said Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee, who also lost a close family friend in the shooting.

A childhood friend said that the shooter had sent a sad message to them on Monday and that his plans to die would be on the news.

When she called the sheriffs office in Nashville, she was on hold for about 7 minutes. By then, the shooting had already started.

A female shooter at the Nossi college of art and design: Engelbert and Collazo filmed an active shooter leaving a school

Hale graduated from Nossi College of Art & Design in Nashville last year, the president of the school confirmed to CNN. Hale worked as a freelance graphic designer and a part-time grocery shopper, a LinkedIn profile says.

At an evening news conference, it was confirmed that Hale was a female shooter. Hale used male pronouns on a social media profile, a spokesperson told CNN when asked to clarify.

The footage, from the body-worn cameras of officers Rex Engelbert and Michael Collazo, begins with Engelbert arriving at the school to find a woman outside who says the school is on lockdown but there are two children unaccounted for.

A group of police officers go into the school with wailing fire alarms and look for the suspect after an officer opens a door in the building.

As they clear the rooms, officers hear gunfire from upstairs and rush up to the second floor, where Engelbert, armed with an assault-style rifle, fired multiple times at a person near a large window, who dropped to the ground, the video shows.

Collazo then appeared to shoot the person on the ground four times with a handgun, yelling “Stop moving!” The officers move a gun, and radio for the person to come down. Suspect down!”

Asked about the roughly 11-minute gap between when police received the first call of an active shooter and when officers arrived at the school, the police chief told reporters, “From what I’ve seen, I don’t have a particular problem with it. But we always want to get better. We want to get there in about 2 or 3 minutes, so traffic was locked down and there were a lot of other things that could have happened.

There were 6 people killed in the school shooting. There were three 9-year-old students at the time, William, Evelyn and Hallie. The adults killed were Cynthia Peak, 61, a substitute teacher; Katherine Koonce, the 60-year-old head of the school; and Mike Hill, a 61-year-old custodian, police said.

The Twin Shooting at the Koonce Reunification Center, Tennessee, Revisited: Mike Hill, aka Big Mike, was killed in a car by a police officer

Sissy Goff, one of Koonce’s friends, went to the reunification center after the shooting and suspected something was wrong when she didn’t see Koonce there.

She would have been in front handling everything, so I had a feeling that she wouldn’t have left.

Peak, a substitute teacher, was best friends with Tennessee First Lady Maria Lee and was supposed to go over to the Lees’ home for dinner Monday evening, Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee said in a video statement Tuesday.

Maria and her family have been friends with Cindy Peak and the other teachers at the school for decades.

The families of the victims have issued statements in remembrance of their loved ones. Hill was a father of seven children and grandfather to fourteen who loved to cook and spend time with his family, according to a statement from his family.

He said that it is important that we stand together on dark days for Nashville. The city has also set up a fund to help support the survivors of the shooting, Cooper said.

The extraordinary videos, which show the officers racing down hallways lined with backpacks and children’s jackets before their confrontation with the suspect, have horrified a nation once again grasping for answers in the wake of another mass shooting.

Standing in front of a side entrance to the school, Hale fired off shots that shattered the glass door, surveillance video shows. Armed with three weapons, Hale can be seen ducking through the broken door and entering.

Custodian Mike Hill was shot through that door, police said. The 61-year-old, known to the school’s students as “Big Mike,” was among the first killed.

Cherish, Hold, and Live: Evelyn R. Scruggs, 78, of Houston, Fla. (N.C.) In Memory of David R. Collazo

“Suspect down!” Collazo screamed twice into his radio. After a labored breath, he sent an order to ” ” Hold the air” – a request to stop all unnecessary radio traffic so his team could communicate.

Community members erected a makeshift memorial outside of the school, and paid their respects to those who lost their lives.

The family of Evelyn said in a statement that their hearts were broken. This has happened and we are in awe of it. Evelyn was a shining light in this world.”

“We love the Scruggs family and mourn with them over their precious daughter Hallie,” the Texas congregation’s Senior Pastor Mark Davis said. “Together, we trust in the power of Christ to draw near and give us the comfort and hope we desperately need.”

A witness said Koonce tried to protect the kids in her care during her last moments, a Nashville city councilman said.

“The faculty, staff, and students who worked with her mourn the loss of a dedicated educator, a tenacious leader, and a dear friend,” the statement said.

Koonce’s friend and former colleague Jim Lee told CNN he and his wife flew to Nashville after learning she had been killed. They described a live and witty character, deeply connected to her students and staff, but also a fierce administrator.

Lee said she was a person of grace, but that she had this amazing confidence. “She was an educator, but she also had great pastoral and counseling and nurturing skills – or she had those CEO skills that could tell you that you need to kind of get in your place.”

She said that she never thought she would lose a loved one over a person trying to solve a temporary problem with a permanent solution.

A Pastor’s Prayer Service in the Bethe-Salpeter Scenario of the Baptist School Shooting at 7:30 p.m. When I Left the Church

The sun was shining brightly when I pulled into the parking lot of Christ Presbyterian Church. The Covenant School shooting happened a few miles away, so traffic was backed up and I was a few minutes late for the prayer service. Christ Presbyterian is a sister church of the Covenant Presbyterian Church which is also a member of the Presbyterian Church in America.

The church was empty at the time. The pews were full. People lined the walls. Faces were streaked with tears. The head of the church’s academy spoke to the congregation as I walked into the room. “Prayer,” he said, “is the first and most powerful thing we can do.”

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/29/opinion/nashville-shooting-prayer.html

Seeing a Shooting, Locking, and Frozen: A Voice in the Pastor’s Office? The Case of Uvalde, Texas,

You might have gotten a form of the “lockdown” text if you are a parent of a schoolchild in that year. The announcement could come from the school itself, saying that there is a dangerous or suspicious situation happening at school or nearby. More likely it would come from your network of friends. Someone will ask, ” Does anyone know anything?” They will have heard about an incident elsewhere in town, and that will lead to rumors spread through social media and group texts.

On Monday, I was finishing recording a podcast when my phone lighted up. The words were used to describe a school shooting. Then, “Covenant School.” I froze. I know Covenant. I belonged to P.C.A. churches for 18 years, until my family and I moved to a new church late last year. I have been to Covenant Presbyterian meetings. I’ve spoken to the pastor. The P.C.A. is a small world and I was almost certain of being removed from the victims. I learned later, to my heartbreak, that the pastor’s daughter, Hallie Scruggs, was one of them.

The 14 minutes of terror at the school ended with the death of the attacker, 28-year-oldAudrey Hale, after the officers rushed into the school.

The ability to execute under that type of stress while someone is trying to kill them and their children made the difference, Fidler said.

All of the victims who were hit by gunfire had been in a hallway or open area, said Fidler, who did a walk through of the school Wednesday.

“The only victims this shooter was able to get to were victims that were stuck in some sort of open area or hallway,” Fidler said. Several of them were able to leave safely. The ones that weren’t able to do that safely did exactly what they were trained to do.

“We had heroic officers that went in harm’s way to stop this and we could have been talking about more tragedy than what we are,” Drake told CNN Wednesday.

The law enforcement response in Nashville stands in contrast with the response in Uvalde, Texas, where there was a delay of more than an hour before authorities confronted and killed the gunman. 21 people were killed in the attack in Uvalde.

According to the witness, the person who heard the gunfire was Katherine Koonce, who ended the call and left the office. The assumption from there is that she headed towards the shooter,” Councilman Russ Pulley said. He did not know who the witness was.

Alicia Drake: The Nashville narcoholic in the midst of sadness, but we are looking for hope in Nashville,” Rev. Harold Love, Jr.

“It’s such a tragedy and felt so deeply by everyone here,” Nashville resident Eliza Hughes said. Nashville is a close-knit community. We definitely feel the tragedy. It’s an awful situation.”

Hale’s writings and maps have been studied by the FBI, Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and police.

Drake said Wednesday that the maps had a display of entry into the school, which would be a route that would be taken for whatever was going to be carried out.

Police said the person who was shot at the school was heavily armed, had training in weapons and was preparing for a confrontation with law enforcement.

Tennessee does not have a “red flag” law that would allow a judge to temporarily seize guns from someone who is believed to be a threat to themselves or others.

Asked about the messages, Drake told CNN, “If their timeline was accurate, the actual call came in after the officer had already arrived on the scene. So, it plays no bearing on that.”

The police chief said that a school shooting like the one officers faced at the Covenant School on Monday would never occur, even though officers have been trained for it.

The city has been traumatised by violence. In the midst of sorrow, we are yet looking for hope,” said Tennessee Representative Rev. Harold M. Love, Jr. as he ended the vigil with a prayer.

What we’re doing to educate children in a political stalemate: Active shooter drills, gun violence, school shootings and the pivot

One of the interesting things about what we’re calling the pivot in law enforcement is the fact that it has become a whole world of people that are thinking about how to deal with active shooter situations and mass shootings in schools. So there are people such as yourself, law enforcement, but there’s also people who have to come up with these trainings, so to speak, their mental health professionals, there are parents thinking about this, and in recent years we’re seeing commercial interest. Right? Like people coming up with. The windows were safe and had bullet proof windows.

That’s Katherine Schweit, and she’s our single guest today. Because the fact that schools now do active shooter drills with this message is, as she says, her fault. Well, not totally. At this time, it is conventional wisdom that she helped to create the active shooter program at the FBI.

There are private security companies that give trainings like the one I went to, and researchers trying to understand why mass murderers commit violence in an attempt to treat them before they do. Their teachers developing entire curriculum around educating their students about gun violence.

What looks like a average white board can be turned into an additional space within the classroom that can protect students and teachers and an active shooter situation.

Security businesses stepping in to offer what they call solutions to schools, which, by the way, they are doing, because many lawmakers at this point have decided that they will not. This is Tim Burchett. He’s a Republican congressman from Tennessee. This was him talking to a reporter about the deaths of six people, including three young children, at a Nashville school.

The reporter asked that question. For us and our kids, it’s been run, hide, fight. Today, we’re going to talk about what it’s like to build a program that will mitigate disaster. We’re trying to explain what we’re doing to children in a political stalemate. I’m a woman named “audie Cornish”. This is the assignment.

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When the FBI Shoots: What Happened When the Sandy Hook Bombexploded? I’ll Call Katherine, Acting FBI Director, Director of Education, Active Shooter Program

When you’re trying to make sense of a tragedy such as this, you should call Katherine. She was on TV explaining the FBI’s active shooter program. But I wanted to know more about her. Like, what was the moment that led her to become an expert on this grim topic?

When the Sandy Hook massacre happened. We rarely call these shootings massacres, but Sandy Hook is often referred to as a massacre because there were, as everybody always says, those babies. There’s these tiny little kids. We’re working on the ground after that shocking shooting of our personnel. Sandy Hook had a room that was being cleared by our SWAT team. The country was devastated by it. Even though the Connecticut State police were running Sandy Hook, it was still a very small community that was devastated, they were overwhelmed. I really feel like it was that day that the FBI Director and Mr. Biden’s office set their sights on making sure a unified voice is heard in the federal system. We are going to do it, but we have no idea how.

It’s not unusual for a politician to say we’re going to do something, but then somewhere someone has to do it. And that was you. So what was that conversation like?

He directed the vice president to the vice president, put together a team of executives from the agencies and I was the FBI’s agency executive. So that may sound like just another meeting, but we met every single day together, starting with conversations about what are we going to do to prevent these shootings from happening again. We argued about the issues and what really needed to be done in the beginning. And every day we’d get together in a room at the Department of Education and argue about ways to solve this problem, not having any idea whether it involved better police response or harder targets or training civilians to know what to do or getting rid of guns or whatever.

You know, it’s interesting. There are so many places where mass shooting events have taken place. But you’re saying these meetings happened at the Department of Education?

I know that. That’s because Sandy Hook was a school. Right. And the Department of Education. I mean, of all the places, I think in retrospect, I so agree with you, because when we started and I said we were arguing the Department of Education people when I brought run, hide, fight to them, which is something I’d love to tell you how that happened. They said, yeah, we don’t we don’t use words like that in schools. We can’t fight. They wanted to end the conversation at that moment.

Right? I’m in the FBI and we’re talking about it being a violent thing. You know, that’s what I said to the executive who was who was my counterpart.

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Chris Murphy, a police officer at a school: What we’re looking for when we can’t stop arguing about the number of shootings

Chris Murphy wrote a book and started advocating for things. It’s not like this was the first time anything happened, so if you take that into account, it’s not a bad thing. But this school incident created this cottage industry of we’re going to find a better way to crack the nut in terms of keeping kids safe in school. And at the time, we didn’t really know. Truthfully, the Department of Education at the time, their biggest beef with me was, you can’t even tell me, Kate, if the number of shootings are increasing.

I believe the differences between that and a profile is based on factors such as location and age, and can be seen from far away. They’re either tall or have a lot of education. I’ve worked with the profilers on cases, kidnaping cases and other cases. We’re looking for individuals who could be you or me or anyone else in the neighborhood but they’re not necessarily the same as you or me or anyone else, because they are brittle.

Right. When we’re watching TV, we think Criminal Minds will be an X, maybe this tall, with a grievance, and that’s the person you ought to look out for. It has not happened when it’s been an active shooter. Not really what schools are either.

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Keeping Your School Safe: Running Fire Drills to Give Them More Confidence to Deal With Their Emotional Oscillations

They’re brittle emotionally. And so when they, for instance, have a grievance or even if it’s a perceived grievance, but say they get fired on a Friday, some people go home and, you know, pour open a glass of wine and commiserate with their friends about the state of the economy and others go home, get the gun from their bureau, or go out to their car and get the gun out of the glove box and come back in and kill people at the office.

On your website, there is a little quiz that asks you which things you’re doing to keep your school safe. And one of them is like, do you have any kind of threat assessment? Right. Do you have a threat assessment team? Another one is, do you have a way for your students or anyone to basically report signs of someone who’s like under emotional distress, etc.? Mm hmm. Do you run drills and training on a yearly basis to give faculty and staff confidence to respond to an emergency? Let’s talk about this several times a year.

Mm hmm. Every school runs fire drills twice a year. Since the 1950s in the United States, we have not lost a child to a fire. Usually when the weather is nice, we run a couple of fire drills.

You also say you give them suggestions and you say, well, maybe a school resource officer can oversee running non-scary but informative drills three times a year for students and staff. Now I’ve done a one of these in a workplace. It was scary.

We do not teach kids about car accidents if we show them body parts in the street. Right? We don’t teach adults about plane safety by having them have simulated crashes into the water. Training where you scare people is not effective training. All you can do is scare them. You don’t empower them.

Source: https://www.cnn.com/audio/podcasts/the-assignment/episodes/28effc17-55be-4d9b-a697-afd401677026

Are the school shooter drills a threat to the safety of communities? A student study at a magneto-elastic school

No, but the reason why I’m saying that is because it does feel separate and scary. So, for instance, with this, the thing I hear most commonly now is run, hide, fight.

I want to say something to the audience. They found that school shooter drills can negatively impact the well-being of school communities over prolonged periods of time. Students were texting their parents, praying and crying during recess as they talked about breaking down in tears. That’s kind of quotes from some of the teachers. And then also having downright fear and panic attacks when, for instance, the fire alarm goes off. You talked about being used to the fire drills. It is no small thing to have this.

Source: https://www.cnn.com/audio/podcasts/the-assignment/episodes/28effc17-55be-4d9b-a697-afd401677026

Ambush, Run, Hide and Fight: A five-year-old’s training on how to run, hide, and fight

And then fight. Which is to grab something, right? Ambush. Try and actually engage somebody who, let’s face it, has spent a lot of time thinking about how they’re going to attack you. And you’ve spent very little time thinking about how you’re going to fight back. So I’m trying to picture teaching this to my five year old.

Okay. Okay, so let’s back up too because I believe that that is a good thing. Now we’re talking about a five-year-old. So first, let’s just talk about the adults in the room. Right. Because the adults have to understand it first and the concept behind Run, Hide, Fight. People do this at scenes. This isn’t a suggested idea of what might happen. These are the actions that happen. Run, hide, and Fight if you have to, your life depends on it. And so the training that goes along with it explains the nuances of that. And there have been other organizations that have private companies. Right. Who’ve developed training that similar all the training focuses on these three actions.

Source: https://www.cnn.com/audio/podcasts/the-assignment/episodes/28effc17-55be-4d9b-a697-afd401677026

When a Mental Health Concern Concern Concerned, Is There a Data to Investigate? [An Education on Social Media] [Instagram v.s. Federal Bureau of Investigation]

But there is a concern people have, let’s say, about mental health, right? I mean, when I kind of went down the rabbit hole on this, there, there were some researchers who put out something, and I think I saw it on Nature.com I’ll give you the proper citation in a minute. But basically they said they studied people’s social media posts kind of before and after.

But no, but that educator is right. But here’s the difference. There is data to look at. It was done to help inform us about how to do better in training. I think there was there absolutely was initial training that was people running through hallways with long guns in their arms and yelling at students and fake blood everywhere and no-notice drills and those are still going on.

Right. The early training that was done with the community as opposed to law enforcement going out in the woods and doing their SWAT training. Private companies were hired to do the early training and some law enforcement used it to inform people about the seriousness of the situation. And that was never, ever the training that was developed by the FBI. And that’s one of the reasons why we had to create… FEMA and us worked on creating training that wasn’t like that.

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Where are we going? What do we think? How do we live in a safe space, and what do we really need to do?

For lack of a better term, the school is a safe space. We make out that school is a bubble similar to home. School and home are both safe if you believe in it. And it just it feels like generationally, we’re like, nope, not an option for you. Not an option for this generation. Not safe.

What is it like for me to live this way? I would like to get off the bus. I don’t have a way to do it. Five years ago, when I retired from the FBI, there were more shootings.

I am going to say something that I don’t want you to think I’m putting on you. I just thought, no, another way to ask it. Did you fail in that moment, did you?

Oh, yeah, sure I do. I do feel like as much as we did, I couldn’t get enough. I’m bailing water out of this ship as fast as I can, and it’s still sinking. I feel like I have to share what I’ve learned. I mean, that’s why I wrote the book, thinking, well, that’s great. I am able to step away. And that didn’t work.

Source: https://www.cnn.com/audio/podcasts/the-assignment/episodes/28effc17-55be-4d9b-a697-afd401677026

What do you tell a child when you hear that? And what do you do if you hear something? How do you ask your children to tell them what you see?

And so as part of the prevention conversation with young people, what do you do when you hear that? Because I know when I was in middle school, we heard kids say all kinds of things. Right. You don’t necessarily think you’re going to tell someone that you think they might be. What prevention is it for young kids? Like, is that part of it?

The prevention aspect means that young people can learn about it. So when it comes to a 17 year old, we want the leakage. When a kid is posting something online or texting to somebody. We want we want somebody immediately to report that to somebody else and report that to the police and to the principal and to the parents and the trusted adult, to the anonymous tip line. When a child is seven or eight, what do we want to teach them? stranger danger and body autonomy are the same things we talk about. We want our kids to protect their own physical self from anyone on the street. There are people who do bad things that you don’t have to go past.

But with kids one of the realities they have is, as you said, it might be another student. One day, it might be another student, but not always. And kids say all kinds of things all the time. I think about the plot of Heathers when I think of blowing up the school. Like we’re asking young people to look at each other and say, Oh, but you’re going to go a little farther than everyone else. I need to say something. We don’t have enough time to prevent things because we know about the leak.

Because I think that, you know, we’re asking… If you’re putting a child on someone younger than you, I can’t give you an idea of whether or not they’re a threat. For the past 20 years, I’ve worked as a FBI agent and been involved in determining whether a threat or something is dangerous. I can’t do that as an adult. We certainly can’t ask a child to do that. All we’re asking you to do as an adult is tell somebody what you hear or see. That seems like a good way to get your senses up. It gets the hair on the back of your neck up. Somebody says something, too, and it seems off. We are asking children to follow the same things that you would want them to do if you showed up at their friend’s house. It’s fine to say something if you want to. We’re not going to get a lot of five year olds, I get it in a five year old. You know, I live here in Virginia where the six year old shot the teacher and the student who did the shooting showed another six year old, I think it was six. The gun outside on the playground and said, don’t tell anybody. The kid I think went to cry to someone but was scared, you know.

The gap you’re talking about, right. The gap between I see something and I say something, and then what does someone even do with that information? It sounds like we need to build an infrastructure for something that we hoped wouldn’t be a long term problem.

Yeah, I think it’s over. How do you feel about working on this? I’m trying to get people to build infrastructure and I’m dragging chains behind me. I feel like if I don’t drag my part of it, nobody else will be there. There’s a lot of people on the other side of the tug of war that aren’t willing to talk about it. We want to deny it. We want to pretend it’s never going to happen. We want to go back and live in the fifties. When this never happens and we don’t have to worry about our children walking to school, we want to go back and live in the sixties. And we don’t live in that world anymore. So it would be better if we came up with a system where we live today and try to protect our kids.

You’re hearing more and more young people speak out because of social media. Right? And they’re expressing a kind of frustration, helplessness, some of them encountering more than one mass shooting incident in their personal history. It’s it’s rare, but not rare, if that makes sense. I mean.

My undergraduate is in Michigan State University, 45,000 students. Three of the students they had shot were killed a few weeks ago. So now 45,000 students at Michigan State University are going to be able to say they had a shooting on our campus. I think it’s a misconception to say that we can create a world in which nobody interacts with it.

What do you say to the kids? Right? I mean, if they’re feeling…and teachers, students and teachers, etc., just they’re feeling helplessness, they’re feeling frustration, Maybe they feel like culturally they’re being given up on, as you said, that like now it’s just living with it. They don’t they don’t have another option. All this stuff was mitigated by it.

What I hear in your voice, you know, is the inability to do anything and a sense of futility. I hear that. And you can’t work as a prosecutor, as FBI agent and feel that way. You have to believe that everything you do is good because if you weren’t there it would be worse. I don’t think this is a great situation. This is the situation we’re in. I did not create this situation. Right? I can make it better. Megan talks to her kids and is able to empower them. My daughter, who’s a middle school teacher who empowers herself and her kids and the teachers around her to know that they’re not going to let violence take over their world. Violence is here so it’s good. You know, you had 45,000 people a year die by firearms violence, less than one half of 1% if even that are from this kind of shooting. Let’s talk about it and let’s not be afraid of it. That’s the way we stop the killing.

You said that you heard helplessness in my voice. Absolutely. The conversation falls in the same beats since I was in high school, and it’s in the same order when I report on these things as a journalist. And you do often feel helpless. You said the Sandy Hook shooting was the turning point for me as well. It’s not surprising that if a room full of kindergarteners doesn’t make anyone think anything should be done, they’ll fall into those same arguments. I will cop to that 100%, you are hearing that.

Not really. I may want to leave the business at that time. But you know what I’m saying? Like, you detected something that is real, which is the fatigue that I feel and then I think to some extent, possibly citizens feel.

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Stop The Killing, Stop the Killing and What I’ve Learned about the CP Violation in the U.S.

And it’s the same reason that, you know, we do our podcasts. Who does a podcast called Stop the Killing, right? How depressing is that? It’s very empowering. Our listeners are like, it’s very empowering. All we can do is empower people and make sure we regain control of this situation when it comes to gun violence. I’m very dedicated to that mission. We have to do that.